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Leah Segedie on the Fact About PFAS and How one can (Considerably) Keep away from Them


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Katie: Whats up, and welcome to the wellness mama podcast. I’m Katie from and That’s wellness with an E on the tip. And I’m right here at this time with Leah Segedie, who helps ladies and mothers make safer shopper decisions for his or her households. And he or she is the writer at And on this episode, we speak particularly about one thing referred to as PFAS, that are chemical substances which are present in all types of family merchandise. We go deep on this at this time, however we discuss what they’re, why they’re thought of endlessly chemical substances, how there are over 10,000 within the setting, and the way they have an effect on the physique in plenty of alternative ways. We discuss how testing may be very nuanced, and the way even pure and natural merchandise can have traces of those chemical substances, tips on how to keep away from them with out going loopy and a lot extra, very, very fact-packed episode. I do know I realized rather a lot. I hope you’ll too. So let’s be part of Leah. Leah, welcome again. How are you?


Leah: Hey, thanks for having me on Katie, so good to see you once more too. I by no means get to see you.


Katie: Likewise, I really like that we do video now. For anyone listening who didn’t know, there’s video on YouTube that you simply guys can truly watch our faces whereas we speak. I feel most individuals nonetheless hear on podcast apps, but it surely’s enjoyable to get to see your face. Really feel prefer it makes it extra private. And such as you stated, it’s been some time since we received to catch up. And we’re going to get to catch up in-depth on a really specific challenge. However earlier than we do, I’ve a be aware in my present notes that you’ve hip dysplasia and are mainly a human pretzel. So I might simply love to listen to just a little bit about this story first.


Leah: Okay, so there’s a genetic hip situation in my household. I’ve it, my mom has it. We don’t know additional than that as a result of my mom is adopted, but it surely’s hip dysplasia. Now, most individuals have heard of hip dysplasia as a result of they’ve a canine. And that canine has hip dysplasia, and it’s just a little wiener canine or one thing. And so the folks that have heard about it are like, “Sure, my canine has that.” And no, I’m not a canine. However sure, that illness does occur in people. However there’s two varieties of folks that it’s actually frequent in, Native American Cherokee Indian, and the Sami, who’re in Norway, Finland, and Sweden, they usually’re the reindeer individuals. And I completely come from a Nordic, so it’s completely coming from the Sami. They usually have a lot of it, it’s been written up in Nationwide Geographic and stuff, so you may Google it. However mainly, what it means is my hips come out of the socket, there’s about this a lot room in my socket that’s simply open. So I can simply pop it out of socket each time I would like.


Now, once I’m working, that’s dangerous, as a result of it doesn’t really feel good. However the cool factor is, it makes me very limber. In case you can think about me being pregnant, like 9 months pregnant, and with the ability to put my foot again right here once I’m stretching. Like private trainers freak out after they see this proper? And it’s completely cool for me. So I’m very versatile and I could make myself a pretzel by placing each of my ft right here. But when I do it, if I get the second up, I simply go ahead, so the one place I need to do it’s within the mattress. As a result of you recognize, I don’t have the…I simply seem like a humorous toy once I do this. However it is rather attention-grabbing and humorous to speak about. However sure, I can put my ft proper again right here and like a human pretzel. Completely.


Katie: That’s humorous. And one in every of my…


Leah: If nobody has identified me then now they’re simply gonna know that I’m Leah Segedie, the human pretzel, which I discover superb.


Katie: Nicely, and one in every of my favourite journey reminiscences of all time was truly visiting northern Finland and getting to fulfill the Sami tribe. They’re a few of the most fascinating individuals I’ve ever met and completely lovely the way in which their way of life is, very totally different than mine in a really heat local weather. And it was so, so cool to see. In order that’s cool and you’ve got a tie to them as effectively.


Leah: Yeah, I’ve a tie them after which…however I’ve extra of my kin that I do know which are in Sweden, however they’re extra within the metropolis now. And Bergen, Norway too, I’ve plenty of kin which are in Bergen, which is de facto cool to go to as a result of the fjords are simply superb. It’s important to go there as soon as in your lifetime.


Katie: I’ll put it on the listing. And I really feel like I might discuss that every one day lengthy. However we even have one other essential matter that I feel will probably be actually related to lots of people listening, even when they don’t understand it’s going to be so related to them. And I do know that you’ve been doing a brilliant, tremendous, tremendous deep dive into this matter, which is why I used to be so excited to speak to you about them at this time. So I’d say let’s begin actually, actually broad and simply outline the important thing time period that we’re going to speak rather a lot about at this time, which is I hope I pronounced it proper, PFAS?


Leah: It’s referred to as, you may consult with it as PFAS or PFAS. However PFAS might be what you’re going to listen to most individuals say P-F-A-S, so it’s simply an abbreviation they usually’re simply placing it collectively. So primarily, once we’re speaking about PFAS, we’re speaking about over ten thousand chemical substances and a chemical class. They usually all have fluorine and carbon in them of their bond. However you’ve heard of those chemical substances as a result of it’s all of the stain-resistant, waterproof, grease-proof chemical substances that we now have been sort of swimming in for many years. Now, these chemical substances was regarded as secure, you recognize, inert, like okay, however within the final couple many years, we discovered that they’re persistent, which suggests they don’t go away. Scientists don’t even know what the half-life of those chemical substances are. That’s why they’re known as endlessly chemical substances. These endlessly chemical substances can final in your physique for a few years or many years. They only actually don’t know the extent of all of it and why as a result of there’s 10,000 of them and the impartial scientists who have been coming within the backend attempting to see in the event that they’re secure, it’s been rather a lot and lot plenty of dangerous information. So in case you’ve heard about carpet not having PFAS in it anymore, or clothes firms popping out and, you recognize, engaged on PFAS options, or if in case you have thrown out your Teflon cookware, that’s one other instance. These are all examples of PFAS chemical substances that we now have had in our lives for many years. And now we perceive how extremely problematic they’re.


So what I’m doing proper now could be, and thru Mamavation, is de facto attempting to construct up some consciousness round ladies, in order that they know what to search for and know tips on how to keep away from them. And the toughest a part of this case is it’s unattainable to fully keep away from them. You would need to reside…you couldn’t even go to, I imply, Iceland, or the place the polar bears are, you’d nonetheless discover them there. So that you actually can’t keep away from them. That’s as a result of they’re persistent, they usually get all over the place. However what we will do is we will make educated choices and decisions in our dwelling, and decrease the quantity that we’re uncovered to, and most of all our kids are uncovered to as a result of that’s the place that is actually, actually essential is the subsequent era.


Katie: Yeah, I do know, we’re very aligned on that, and the significance of, in lots of areas, bettering issues for our youngsters. What are a few of the problematic areas we see on the subject of these and well being? I do know, like, we’re nonetheless doing analysis on this and, such as you stated, plenty of this analysis is just within the final couple of many years. However what do we all know so far as how this impacts human well being?


Leah: So to begin with, it’s an androgen mimicker. So it goes into your physique and your physique truly thinks it’s a hormone for males. It thinks it’s testosterone, so it thinks it’s androgen. So for boys, little boys and males, that is worse than for women, it’s actually dangerous for women, but it surely’s worse for males. So simply give it some thought when it comes to that, you don’t want further testosterone in your physique. However in case you’re a person, and also you get further testosterone in your physique, your physique says, “Okay, executed, I’ve produced sufficient.” And so for a person, it brings down your testosterone, which is one thing that’s actually dangerous in case you’re attempting to have a child, otherwise you’re attempting to breed, you recognize. The opposite factor that it does, it’s actually problematic, that’s linked with every thing else is it kills your immune system, primarily, it brings down your immunity so that you simply can’t struggle off ailments.


Now, right here’s an instance of one thing of how that is occurring. Now, I don’t understand how many individuals are professional or anti-vaccine or no matter. However what I’ll say, and that is very, very, very sound science, that the extra PFAS you’ve got in your system, the much less doubtless vaccinations will work inside your physique as a result of it’s bringing down your immune system, your physique simply can’t do it. In order that’s a few of the stuff that they’re discovering, oh, throughout the final three, 4 years is that they’re infants, and the way infants reply. And I don’t know in the event that they’ve executed this in adults, however they’ve positively executed in youngsters. They usually know that the extra you’ve got in your physique, and bear in mind, this will occur in utero since you’re pregnant, the much less doubtless you may reply to one thing like a vaccine, or every other kind of medicine that’s like that, that’s alleged to convey up your immune system. In order that’s one factor you actually need to watch out about.


They’re additionally linking it to metabolism points and kind 2 diabetes. In order that they’re linking it to kind 2 diabetes, particularly in ladies. So there’s plenty of ladies strolling round who’re having points and it might have one thing to do with the quantity of PFAS that they’ve of their system. After which, after all, cancers, there’s plenty of cancers that is linked to, like prostate most cancers and people sorts of issues, which is sensible in case you understand it really works like an artificial androgen in your physique. In order that’s sort of the totality of it. The issue that we’re actually, actually coping with is, you recognize, what’s occurring to us can be occurring to the earth. It’s persistent on the market, it’s getting within the soil, it’s getting within the groundwater, it’s getting in our shopper merchandise, it’s getting in all types of issues.


And so to be aware that that is on the market, however not petrified, proper, since you don’t need to stress your self out to the quantity that you simply’re making your self sick, proper? However on the earth of, these are chemical substances that I need to keep away from, this can be a 10, and this is sort of a 3, PFAS is larger up there, it’s extra of an 8, 9, or 10 is what I might have a look at first earlier than you determine some…I don’t know, in case you’re frightened about one thing like sodium benzoate in your shampoo versus PFAS in one thing, don’t even fear in regards to the sodium benzoate. You already know what I imply? Like, these varieties of issues. That’s an even bigger class that you simply simply need to keep away from.


Katie: Yeah. So many essential factors I feel you’ve simply made. And I feel what I might simply spotlight is whether or not individuals are in favor of vaccines or they’re not, I feel that’s its personal separate dialog, however the essential similarity there may be that in each circumstances, whether or not you’re speaking pure immunity or vaccine immunity, you want a functioning immune system to create that impact. And so I really feel like that’s truly a commonality. It’s really easy for that to develop into a polarizing challenge. However in each circumstances, it’s like how will we assist the immune system in pure methods in both of these circumstances, and that’s one thing we will truly all agree on. And so this can be a piece of that puzzle. I consider plenty of similarities like plastic-type chemical substances, as an example, as effectively, these are very problematic, they’ve now saturated the planet, they’re storing in our our bodies, which additionally brings up the query, how if doable in any respect will we get these out of our physique as soon as we’ve been uncovered?


Leah: You’ll be able to’t. Nicely, right here’s the exhausting factor, it builds up. So it’s a kind of chemical substances that we don’t have any proof of something with the ability to take it out of our physique. That’s the exhausting half. Proper? And that’s absolutely the reality. If individuals let you know the other, I don’t understand how supported that’s by the info, proper? So that is a kind of distinctive chemical substances that doesn’t function like different chemical substances, you recognize, plenty of these nasty, persistent chemical substances are trapped in fats. So in case you can pull it out by the fats, then you may pull it out of the physique, that is repelled by fats. So it simply actually operates very otherwise in your physique, and the reply is they only don’t know.


So what the best-case situation is true now could be to keep away from it as a lot as you may, select merchandise that don’t have it, be very cautious of it whenever you’re pregnant, after which when your youngsters are about 5, and so up till that, that’s whenever you’re simply you recognize, on the lookout for it, avoiding it. After that, you don’t need it, however after all, you recognize, hormone-disrupting chemical substances are worse throughout hormone modifications in the course of the physique. So the worst time is prenatal. In order that’s when every thing is altering and it all the way down to the second, the minute, you recognize, issues received to only align proper. The second half is whenever you’re out and it’s 5 years, you recognize, your physique has like pure defenses it builds up doesn’t actually have that till you’re over 5.


Now, the third time in your life, for girls particularly, and for males, is whenever you undergo the change, proper, you begin to develop into a lady otherwise you develop into a person, that’s a time when, as a mom, you need to begin to consider this, despite the fact that they don’t care, you continue to need to give it some thought, proper? After which in the direction of the tip of your life, for girls it’s whenever you undergo the change once more and also you cease with the ability to, you recognize, have a child. And for males, I don’t know when males undergo, you recognize, that change, somebody ought to inform me, however I’ve three boys, it could be good to know, truly. However these are crucial occasions so that you can begin fascinated by this stuff, when these varieties of individuals…you recognize when you’ve got youngsters in the home.


Katie: Yeah, and I feel the stability, such as you stated is essential, like keep away from it each time doable, however to not the purpose that it’s inflicting stress, which we additionally know is extraordinarily dangerous to well being. After which from there, I all the time consider, particularly once we’re speaking about chemical substances, we don’t truly know tips on how to get out of the physique. It’s like assist the pure detox pathways in any approach doable. After which attempt to maintain a balanced stress degree and never be stressing about it past that. So I’m an enormous fan of issues like sauna, simply fundamental hydration, consuming meals like inexperienced leafy greens that bind to extra phytoestrogens and different chemical substances within the physique.


Leah: And poop, proper? As a result of all of the dangerous stuff comes out whenever you poop, you need to do this, proper? I’m speaking about poop and this, poop and PFAS is hilarious. However we don’t know if it comes…I imply, we simply…you recognize, they haven’t executed research on that but. However I feel it’s as a result of they’re so overwhelmed proper now attempting to determine the ins and the outs of all these chemical substances. You have been saying one thing about plasticizers. Paradoxically, it’s additionally a plasticizer. As a result of there’s a complete class referred to as PTFE, which is on these Teflon pans, which is sort of like, which is a polymer. And satirically, you recognize, once I do testing, there are not any checks to seek out all of those polymers. So once I’m testing for these chemical substances, and I’m on the lookout for over 10,000 of them, the sort of testing that I’m working is extra of a spot verify. It’s seeking to see if these chemical components are there, it’s not telling you what particular PFAS it’s as a result of it’s unattainable. There’s solely about 90 chemical substances you may take a look at for at a extremely good industrial lab. Most of those labs you could take a look at for will solely be capable of take a look at for possibly 16 to 30. But it surely’s in a college lab, they will in all probability discover about 150, however that’s it for compound testing and discovering out precisely what it’s.


The opposite possibility is what you see plenty of NGOs doing and us doing is we search for fluorine in any product, proper? And so then you definitely function one other take a look at that pulls out the fluoride from the fluorine, which is the pure and leaves the artifical, and we search for one thing referred to as natural fluorine, which isn’t a beautiful factor. Once I say natural when it comes to chemistry, it doesn’t imply the natural requirements. No, it sort of means the other, it means man-made. So I’m on the lookout for the man-made fluorine. While you discover that, there’s sort of solely two choices. One is PFAS, which it’s very more likely to be, the opposite one is fluorinated prescription drugs as a result of 25% of pharmaceutical merchandise are all fluorinated, so these are the 2 issues that I might be discovering. The testing that I function is a extremely excessive take a look at. It seems at 10 elements per million. Now, despite the fact that I’m saying elements per million, and that’s actually tiny, it’s truly a bigger quantity as a result of after they’re testing in water, they’re trying all the way in which down within the elements per trillion, which is sort of a drop in three Olympic dimension swimming pools, proper? And so mine can be possibly a drop in a daily pool or one thing like that, proper? So we’re far bigger, and we’re not trying in water, we’re trying in shopper merchandise, like private care, something that may be burned, primarily, as a result of that’s how the take a look at is, burns issues, you recognize. So if it might’t be burned, we will’t use that testing methodology. Then there’s different issues we will have a look at.


But it surely’s additionally actually tough to seek out, and you recognize, the devils within the particulars, in case you can’t discover it and isolate it, then can they regulate it? I don’t know. In order that’s the place I really feel like I’m sort of standing within the center right here. I’m sending plenty of merchandise off to the lab and I’m beginning with merchandise that we might buy that might be pure, you recognize, sending these off first as a affirmation as a result of my viewers needs to know in regards to the issues that they’re already buying first, after which they need to find out about every thing else. And you’d be sort of stunned, within the pure trade, how a lot of this chemical we’re going to seek out. There’s plenty of causes behind that.


One of many causes is, like as an example, in case you’re shopping for natural meals, there’s nothing within the natural requirements to stop them from utilizing FDA-approved components in manufacturing. They usually don’t have any requirements behind that, and I simply confirmed that once more final week as a result of I used to be, you recognize, emailing them, I’m like, “Oh, I can’t discover something within the requirements.” They usually’re like, “It’s not there.” They usually’ll say to me one thing like, “Nicely, you need to, you recognize, strain the FDA to take these out of…you recognize, as authorized oblique components, as a substitute of coming down on us.” And I’m like, “I feel you need to in all probability repair this within the requirements, I simply assume you need to.” However that’s simply my opinion.


So it may be in something, primarily. And in case you check out the FDA web site, on what’s authorized for a meals contact kind of substance, there’s plenty of polymers which are authorized, polymeric PFAS. So which means these are PFAS chemical substances which are made up of all these several types of monomers. So it’s prefer it’s a PFAS fabricated from PFAS, and likewise, but it surely turns into like a plastic, proper? So we’re going to see this, in all probability, I’m pondering, since there’s so lots of them which are authorized by the FDA, that’s in all probability what we might in all probability be seeing in meals, you recognize, kind of producing. I’ve by no means been in a position to isolate and discover it as a result of these checks are simply not out there. However I maintain seeing it in all types of merchandise. And I’m actually pleased to do that testing as a result of not solely do I need to know, however as soon as I began testing, all people else needed to know as effectively. So it’s a terrific service that we’re in a position to present for individuals at Mamavation. I’m actually pleased to have the ability to do that.


Katie: I’m going to go line by line with some frequent merchandise and like, undergo what you discovered on the testing. However earlier than we get into the extra detailed half, I might love to listen to what are a few of the frequent sources within the dwelling setting that some individuals listening…particularly lots of people listening are already extra naturally minded, like your viewers as effectively. What can be a few of the frequent sources and the way can we begin to keep away from it within the dwelling?


Leah: So the primary place goes to be you’re going to eat it and drink it, that’s the place they nonetheless assume you’re getting the overwhelming majority of that is. A variety of this is able to be cookware, so if in case you have Teflon-based cookware or nonstick cookware in any respect, I might keep away from that. Clearly, I do know you’ve received nice content material about that and I’ve received content material about that, that have been sort of shoving you guys off of nano-based cookware and nonstick cookware. In order that’s one place. You additionally need to search for it in your small kitchen home equipment, as a result of you can find it in issues like air fryers, you’ll discover it in issues like toasters, and it’s not on the meals contact floor, it’s outdoors. And the loopy factor about that’s if it’s on the partitions on the surface, if it will get too scorching, it might disperse into that air so it’s nonetheless sort of a difficulty. So we’re proper now working by these merchandise for air fryers and all types of various issues. I might simply say name up the corporate, look and double-check to ensure that they’re not including something to those merchandise on the surfaces. Positively not meals contact, meals contact can be the primary half, however that’s what I search for.


Meals packaging is one other challenge, issues that we don’t consider like parchment paper. I discovered it in parchment paper. So there are some parchment papers which are fabricated from silicone and there’s some parchment papers which are fabricated from PFAS. They usually, a few of them typically they’ll let you know, however you bought to be seeking to see which of them, and simply to sort of assist out your individuals proper now as a result of I do know that you simply’re going to ask me which of them are secure. If You Care, we examined that particular model, it’s the brown wrapper that appears sort of recycled, that one we didn’t discover something in. One other Finnish firm, which known as Gifbera, after which one other one referred to as Katbite, which I feel is Korean, these are all out there on Amazon. So If You Care, Gifbera, Katbite, these we examined, and we didn’t discover something, however we did discover it in Reynolds. And we did discover it in Kirkland, so Costco. So these are meals packaging.


However right here’s like, plenty of occasions whenever you’re going to get this in your meals packaging, it’s going to be extra of a difficulty of I went out to eat, or I’m utilizing one thing that’s processed. So the reply is the extra you may prepare dinner from scratch at dwelling, the extra you’re going to have the ability to do away with these contaminants with out even figuring out about it as a result of plenty of occasions it has to do with the processing of the meals by some means, and the way these chemical substances, be in polymers or no matter, are entering into every thing. So the extra you may prepare dinner by yourself…once more, I feel that’s in all probability one thing that you simply love to listen to, the extra you may prepare dinner utilizing elements that you recognize about, the higher off you’re.


One other actually large space is family mud. This isn’t one thing that you’d take into consideration. However you recognize, your mud is then analyzed. Your family mud has been analyzed at a lab, not yours particularly, however different individuals’s. And it accommodates plenty of fireplace retardants, phthalates, and PFAS. And that’s coming off of your electrical tools in your own home. So your tv in all probability has some PFAS within the wiring, possibly has it someplace. And when that plastic will get scorching, plenty of these plastics have fireplace retardants and different varieties of issues inside them. Now, over time, and I imply, over years, because it will get scorching, they sort of emit into the air, and these particles are extremely magnetized in the direction of mud. In order that they stick with the mud they usually fall, proper?


So how do you get this out of your own home? I might say simply mud, I hate that reply however that’s actually the reply. The extra you mud, you recognize, the cleaner you retain your own home, the much less doubtless your youngsters are going to be uncovered to this. Now, I can’t cease them from like, you recognize, being on carpet in case you’ve got outdated carpeting with PFAS on it, there’s nothing I can do for that different than simply vacuum a ton, you recognize, to get that stuff out of it, it should break down over time and be launched. So vacuum as a lot as you may, these varieties of issues. Get an air air purifier, a few of the finest air purifiers are on the market. Although I do know those that we suggest are in all probability additionally going to be pulling in PFAS as a result of in the event that they’re pulling within the mud, that’s the place it’s, proper? So that you need to do away with the mud.


Make-up and private care, this can be a actually tough challenge. Earlier this yr, they did an investigation not me, however the precise scientists, proper? And they also checked out over 300 typical, principally typical make-up merchandise they usually discovered it overwhelmingly in make-up, give it some thought like this, stays longer, waterproof, you recognize what I’m saying? You need your make-up to remain in your face and never go wherever and the extra we’ve demanded that the extra they put in PFAS. So that you need to sort of search for issues that don’t have any claims about long-lasting, don’t have any claims about being waterproof.


I might say we discovered about six or seven totally different manufacturers of make-up within the pure world that I didn’t discover, you recognize, any natural fluorine on the ranges we’re on the lookout for. However most of even the pure magnificence merchandise, you recognize, make-up manufacturers, it’s like…like, I used to be plenty of issues, mascara and lip gloss so to talk as a result of I knew that these are like what everybody’s utilizing on daily basis, proper, lip gloss, after which if it’s basis, it’s like next-level dedication, proper? So we simply went within the first move dedication, and in some manufacturers, we discovered it not of their mascara however discovered of their lip gloss or vice versa. So it was actually tough to sort of be capable of say this model or that model as a result of we needed to do plenty of testing to determine that out. So make-up I might say, and different than simply, you recognize, following me and what I’m testing there’s no different reply to make-up as a result of nobody’s placing that info on the market. Even the scientists who have been it, they’re probably not like granting you the uncooked knowledge to have the ability to determine which one they examined however that’s why we did it.


One other factor is like water, look into your water. This can be a actually large deal as a result of in case you reside by a navy base otherwise you reside by an airport that is actually essential, navy bases and airports have been utilizing firefighting foam to place out grease fires which have PFAS in them and it has seeped into the groundwater under and has contaminated plenty of groundwater by these bases. So in case you reside by an airport otherwise you reside by a navy base, I might simply exit and get a water air purifier regardless, don’t even wait. As a result of the reply is it’s in all probability going to be there and it is probably not a sort of PFAS that we will acknowledge simply but. You already know, as a result of that’s the opposite downside with water is, we’re not as much as testing in any respect. So I might simply assume, you recognize, that that’s how I’m working proper now could be I’m simply assuming, despite the fact that our water system doesn’t have something in it, it’s like, yeah, you solely examined 16 of them, you recognize, there’s like 10,000 on the market, you recognize, that’s how I really feel like there’s an enormous gaping gap. So water, work on water.


Clothes is one other large one, however the reply to clothes is we don’t know the reply behind dermal contact. So I’ve plenty of advisors who work on this and a few of them are working behind the scenes to creating strategies for testing. A few of them, you recognize, they’re working at several types of phases in several types of methods with this chemical. However the one factor that all of them agreed on was we don’t know sufficient about dermal contact. We don’t know if one thing rubs up in opposition to your pores and skin, and it’s a PFAS chemical, will it get in? How will it get in? How a lot we’ll get in? We don’t know.


And since we don’t know, we will’t make any statements about that. So the reply is we don’t know. However the place are you going to seek out it? Something that’s stain proof, keep away from issues which are stain proof, completely 100% as a result of that’s the place it’s going to be. It’s in plenty of jackets waterproof. We did an investigation on jackets, so in case you go to Mamavation…I want I might let you know each single one, but it surely’s very complicated on the market proper now to seek out out what’s PFAS-free, after which what’s just a bit part of PFAS-free. A few of these firms which are producing clothes, aren’t trying on the large chemical class. They’re solely this over right here, they usually say, “We’re freed from PFC.,” however they’re forgetting all this different stuff over right here, you recognize.


And there’s some certifications like Bluesign, as an example. Bluesign licensed is a kind of certifications that may enable sure varieties of PFAS chemical substances within the certification and but they sort of make a declare that they’re PFAS-free. So it’s complicated for the patron and the explanation it’s complicated for the patron is the scientists have simply sort of gotten on the identical web page about the place this chemical is and what we’re going to contemplate as a part of the chemical. So I don’t need to say it’s all the companies’ faults, I’m saying that they’re doing what’s within the regulation, you recognize, after they’re making these statements, however the statements are altering as a result of the science is altering. And because the science is altering typically the businesses are two, three years behind, you recognize, the mantra, the way it’s described. And so I’m working into plenty of that with jackets, like play couches, play modular couches, you recognize, something like that, that may have like a stain-proofing about it. So simply be looking for that.


Tents and out of doors tools. Oh, gosh, I can’t…my cousins in Norway are going to chortle at me, however there may be one model that we love a lot. And it’s received a J in it, I’ll put it in your notes, your present notes. It’s like a Swedish title and I can’t pronounce it as a result of I don’t communicate Swedish. And it’s received a J in it and I’m gonna simply completely butcher it. However there may be plenty of European manufacturers that as a substitute of utilizing PFAS, like on their tents, as an example, they use beeswax and paraffin proprietarily put collectively and it does a really comparable or just about the identical factor. These merchandise are extra expensive, you recognize, you’re not going to discover a low cost tent that’s PFAS-free with, you recognize, extra pure…and I do know paraffin just isn’t pure, however like, you recognize, it’s higher than PFAS. These varieties of mixtures which are much less problematic to the setting in a cheap approach but, hopefully the long run will change that.


Then additionally, you recognize, it’s in automobile wax and surfboard wax, these varieties of issues, and carpet and flooring. We did a bamboo investigation, we checked out a bunch of various bamboo floorings and we solely discovered one which didn’t have detections out of like eight or 9. So I’ve been fascinated by this when it comes to what’s round us. You already know, in case you’re going to be doing flooring, as an example, you recognize, we went after bamboo and we appeared particularly at bamboo as a result of why? I’m like, it’s cheaper, it doesn’t dent, you may stroll round along with your heels and so I used to be attempting to love, you recognize, resolve all the issues after which we did discover one model. But it surely’s tough. It’s actually tough to keep away from it, you recognize, grandstand overarching, eat out much less, mud extra, and prepare dinner from scratch as a lot as you may. These are the three issues that I might say would in all probability do probably the most bang in your buck and simply look out for locations who…like in case you go to, we’ve executed an investigation on like plenty of issues, not every thing but, however on plenty of issues. And that’s the…I’m attempting to reply that query, the place is it, how do I keep away from it? And I’m sort of going class by class to determine it out as a result of each class is de facto difficult.


Katie: Yeah, that jogs my memory, within the labeling, like, we began…such as you stated, we’re seeing some which are labeled as “freed from” sure ones of those, but it surely jogs my memory of when BPA turned well-known, after which it was like BPA-free. However these all had BPS or BPAF or different ones, that are as problematic, the place we’re now discovering, in some circumstances, worse. And so simply because there are some that label now doesn’t essentially imply, such as you stated, that they’re secure.


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And I do know out of your web site, you’ve executed investigations into all of those several types of issues. And also you gave us a family overview simply now. However I might like to undergo some others which are particularly in all probability relevant to mothers. So I cringe to ask, however the first being, what about, like, athletic put on like yoga pants?


Leah: So yoga pants wasn’t as dangerous, truly. In order that was one of many higher ones. We examined about, I feel, 32 or 33, totally different yoga pants, athletic put on as a result of that was a query I had. I’m like yoga pants, you recognize what I imply? I put on them actually on daily basis, it’s sort of like my outfit, it needs to be like a uniform. And I do know each day, I’m sporting yoga pants, some shirt that’s actually snug, and my hair is in a extremely messy bun, I received plenty of hair, so this all goes up in a bun. So we checked out about 32 of them, we discovered 25% of these yoga pants had detectable fluorine within the crotch. Now, once I first began testing them, I used to be testing the knees, you’re not going to seek out it within the knees. How do I do know? I examined to seek out it. After which I believed to myself, the place would I put it? And so I had the lab repeat a few them with the crotch, bam, that’s the place it was. So about 25%. Now, not one of the natural manufacturers, in case you look in…not one of the natural manufacturers that we had examined, yeah, all of them had non-detect at 10 elements per million, so that’s secure.


We did a like a not our favourite, higher, and finest class of these 32. Those that we discovered detectable there within the prime of the what we might not suggest, then there have been ones within the center, which have been artificial supplies so we didn’t discover something in them. So be at liberty to purchase them. After which for these of you who need the natural model that’s in the most effective on the very backside. Yeah, so we tried to sort of divide it in three for everybody to have the ability to determine that out as effectively. So this was not as dangerous, however you’ll discover it within the crotch, which might be…it could be comparable in different pants too if you consider it, prefer it’s going to be within the crotch. Now, I don’t know is the reply to that. I could sooner or later, possibly begin testing underwear and swimsuits and stuff like that, however in case you…to find out about that, I don’t find out about these but as a result of I’ve been requested that query. So I’m simply going to let you know I don’t find out about some fits and underwear but. However interval underwear, I do know.


Katie: Nicely, that’s encouraging that there are these good choices out there as a result of I used to be not going to be prepared to surrender my yoga pants. However that does result in different athletic put on. So let’s discuss sports activities bras after which, because you talked about it, additionally interval underwear.


Leah: Yeah, so sports activities bras are fairly problematic. We discovered…so you recognize your sports activities bra, there’s just like the outer a part of it after which there’s the internal half. So the internal half is that, like, sort of pores and skin colour mesh that’s subsequent to your bra, which are subsequent to your breast. We discovered detections in 65% of sports activities bras in that mesh space. And once I advised my advisors about this, plenty of them they have been pediatricians that have been, you recognize, serving to me evaluation this one particular one, they have been involved and extra of our advisors have been involved as a result of that is the mesh that’s proper up in opposition to your breasts. Now, right here’s the situation I’m pondering of as a result of this was my life and nonetheless might be my life. You already know, you’re a brand new mother, proper, and your child goes down for a nap, and so what do you do? You run off and also you do a exercise or one thing like that as finest as you may and you recognize you’ve received like 40 minutes to an hour, proper? So that you’re understanding, understanding, after which sweating up a storm and you bought your sports activities bra on after which, you hear the noise, proper, and also you’re like, “Shoot,” didn’t get the time, so that you didn’t have time for a bathe. So then you definitely run upstairs, you go get the child, and increase, breastfeed. That’s the situation I’m frightened about.


So if you’re a breastfeeding mom, please watch out and have a look at my investigation for the not our favourite, higher, and finest. We discovered them in 65% of those merchandise, it was not every thing. It was exhausting due to the high-impact bras, there weren’t as many good high-impact bras, however one in every of them that I did discover that I feel individuals are going to be enthusiastic about is Goal. Goal has truly been doing plenty of work on PFAS and textiles and you can inform as a result of once I examined in opposition to that, they got here out clear. So in case you’re an enormous busted girl, which I’m, my ladies are fairly massive…In case you’re an enormous busted girl you don’t need, like, black eyes when you’re understanding, proper, Goal’s a kind of manufacturers. It’s not natural, clearly, it’s filled with artificial polyester and yada, yada, yada, however we didn’t discover detectable PFAS within the sports activities bras there. In order that they’re referred to as All In Movement or one thing like that, in order that was good. And typically I simply maintain testing till I discover one thing that I can put on, you recognize, and that was a kind of points the place I simply stored testing. That was sports activities bras. In order that’s one you need to look on In case you go there, we’ve received all the checks listed proper there on all of the manufacturers that we discovered.


Katie: What about interval underwear? That is once I personally don’t have any expertise with as a result of I’m an enormous fan of the menstrual cup as a substitute for the sustainability, which I do know interval underwear are as effectively, however what did you discover when it got here to those?


Leah: It was fairly dangerous truly once we appeared into interval underwear, we had…I’m attempting to recollect what number of we examined, it was over 20. I feel we solely discovered six manufacturers with out detectable ranges. Yeah, solely six, and the toughest half the place there are some manufacturers that truly market themselves as PFAS-free. I’m not gonna say which model it’s however you might have considered trying to have the ability to determine that out, you’ll go on their web site, and they’re going to present you scientific testing on how they will show that they’re PFAS-free. However you must have my eyes to know what you’re . You have a look at that scientific research, proper, that they despatched off to the lab, the detection degree is rather a lot larger than mine. So I take a look at at 10 elements per million. They have been testing at 50, so you recognize what I imply, like, I can’t make any statements about that. However I might say there’s some humorous enterprise occurring in that.


And the issue is…I, you recognize, interviewed plenty of the CEOs that had the safer interval underwear. And primarily what’s occurring is what they stated to me is you’ve got lots of people on this trade that don’t actually have plenty of expertise with textiles. Like, they don’t know rather a lot about what they’re doing. They’re nice entrepreneurs, they’re nice, at plenty of different issues, however they don’t actually know rather a lot in regards to the processing of textiles. And in case you don’t know, you don’t know what to say, you don’t know what to ask, after which she was additionally telling me that, she’s like, you will get Oeko-Tex material, so to talk, and ship it to the producer, after which the producer will probably be like, “Oh, would you like waterproofing on that?” They usually know that in case you put that on it destroys every thing, like all of the accreditations and all that stuff, however they provide it in any case. And so you recognize, in case you’re somebody who doesn’t perceive the textile trade, chances are you’ll fall into that class.


So what I discovered in interval underwear wasn’t ranges that appeared like…there was a number of manufacturers that had ranges that have been actually excessive, proper, I might be like, “Whoa.” However then there have been different manufacturers that had ranges that have been low. And so whenever you have a look at that, it seems like extra of a contamination challenge than it seems like an deliberately added challenge. However I don’t know what, you recognize, the distinction is when it’s proper up by your vagina. I simply don’t know, and no person is aware of. In order that’s why we have been in a position to do the classes we have been and I consider it was…it could be seven now as a result of we maintain testing. And we maintain including to that report, you recognize, each time we do discover one thing, and folks that ship me interval underwear need me to check it, simply if you wish to do this I can take a look at stuff, simply maintain it in its authentic packaging. I simply don’t need you contaminating it. However yeah, we’ve had group members purchase extra interval underwear that they need, they ship it off to me after which we simply go take a look at it within the lab simply to verify we all know out of all of the manufacturers that we will see. That’s not one.


Katie: Gotcha. I’ll make sure that we hyperlink to those as effectively as a result of I do know you’ve written about all of those and other people can go search for the particular particulars. So for you guys listening, can have all these hyperlinks. One other related one for mothers, what about ketchup? As a result of I do know for lots of children, this can be a favourite so as to add to plenty of stuff. So what about ketchup?


Leah: Ketchup was simply heartbreaking. Ketchup, the overwhelming majority of the ketchups that I examined, all had complete fluorine in it. Now, I needed to clarify to all people that I did complete fluorine checks on the overwhelming majority of those ketchup manufacturers. I didn’t do natural fluorine, however let me let you know sort of what I’ve been doing. I’ve despatched about 350 issues off to the lab during the last 2 years, plenty of testing. So that offers you an concept of how a lot testing I’ve executed. And I might say 80% of that testing, we’ve executed natural fluorine on. And once I first began, I did complete fluorine. So I wasn’t as savvy as I’m now to know in regards to the distinction between the pure fluorine and the natural fluorine, which is artificial, and also you wanted to separate that. And so, you recognize, my scientific advisors got here in and helped me with that after which we began, so ketchup is an older one.


However we discovered a ton of complete fluorine in ketchup, besides for 2 manufacturers. We didn’t discover it in Heinz, and that shocked me. So I used to be like, right here’s the common Heinz within the glass bottle, nothing, within the plastic bottle, nothing, within the little ketchup packets, nothing. We didn’t discover it, you recognize, in any Heinz product. After which we didn’t discover it in 365 Entire Meals Natural Ketchup. So it made me assume that that could be white-labeled, possibly white-labeled Heinz ketchup, have you learnt what I’m saying? However then each different ketchup that we examined, we discovered detectable ranges, and plenty of them have been actually near 10. So it was like they have been proper there, proper?


So right here’s the reply to that, of all the issues that I’ve despatched off to the lab, they’ve been ready…they usually do complete fluorine on every thing, however then we run one other take a look at and it’s a take a look at for fluoride, proper? And what they do is that they search for fluoride after which they’re in a position to do a calculation to deduct the full fluorine quantity from the fluoride quantity, and that’s natural fluorine, so that they do this calculation for you. I’ve by no means seen, not doable, however I’ve simply by no means seen fluoride, greater than two, possibly three elements per million. You already know, so plenty of manufacturers will need to say, in the event that they need to say it’s complete fluorine, I’ve not discovered that, you recognize, fluoride to be an enormous factor and something, you recognize, I feel they need to assume that it’s but it surely’s within the stuff that I’ve examined, we’ve not. I did ship two of these manufacturers as a result of two manufacturers individuals have been actually, actually…they actually needed to find out about.


And that was Primal and Annie’s. And I despatched Annie’s and Primal out for natural fluorine testing after we put this up, they usually have been just about the identical quantity. So I feel that we’re discovering plenty of indications. That’s the one the place I’ve to say learn it, however perceive the testing isn’t full. And I do plan on updating that specific investigation, including extra manufacturers, and doing the entire shebang, it’s simply in all probability not going to be till subsequent yr someday, proper? And I need to give these manufacturers a while to work on it. So I do know plenty of them do find out about my testing and whether or not…I don’t know in the event that they’re making any strikes, as a result of they haven’t come to me and stated they’re making any strikes. In order that’s unlucky, however I’ll say in different manufacturers…or different industries, there’s manufacturers making some fairly hefty strikes right here.


Katie: So, to be continued, and I’ll put hyperlinks to the present ones so individuals can have these as a place to begin. And I do know that there’s extra to come back in different classes as effectively. So individuals can keep updated with you to maintain a watch out for that. It additionally makes me curious if it’s doable to get individuals examined for these compounds. And I additionally marvel like, is there even a…in case you’re going to weigh the danger and advantages, is it even price doing? We don’t know tips on how to get them out of the physique and we all know it’s good to keep away from them. Like, is it price testing if it’s even doable? Or is it higher simply to know they’re dangerous and keep away from them?


Leah: So I want I might have executed that once I didn’t end that query for you. I’ve a take a look at downstairs, there’s a model new take a look at that got here out. I feel it’s referred to as Empower FX. So I’m going to need to double verify on that. However there’s a model new take a look at the place you may prick your finger and ship it to a lab. Now, this can be a large large deal as a result of it’s not costly and it’s out there to all people. So let me offer you some background. So I needed to do a physique burden, you recognize, scientific research. And I had plenty of scientists concerned and we sort of talked about it. And what we realized was, it was near unattainable to do that as a result of your physique doesn’t launch it. So, you recognize, it’s not like with polyphenols and, you recognize, you wait per week later and also you simply don’t eat them or put them into your physique, they’ll be much less. That’s not the case of PFAS. So it’s actually exhausting to check in your physique, actually, actually tough to do these comparisons, so we ended up not doing it.


At that time, we have been trying right into a lab that was about $1,000 a take a look at. Oh, yeah, loopy. So I’ll let you know my pleasure when I discovered a model who’s doing this for $250. And also you’re doing it at dwelling. What we have been going to look into was sending individuals to a draw lab after which sending it off to a lab in Canada. And prefer it was all of this, you recognize, strategic, loopy stuff that we needed to do. However now there’s a firm, and I need to say Empower FX, and we’ll hyperlink that down under. However they partnered with Eurofins and Eurofins is a humongous $6 billion lab world wide. So it’s a extremely…that’s a terrific partnership. And so Eurofins is the associate on this they usually’re producing these little take a look at kits. So you may take a look at your self, it’s just a little drip of blood, ship it off, and I consider they’re testing for between 16 to 30 totally different PFAS, however the most typical ones that you simply’re going to seek out in water.


Katie: Good to know, I’ll put hyperlinks to that as effectively if it’s in your web site, or I’ll get that information from you for people who find themselves…


Leah: It’s not but.


Katie: Okay.


Leah: You’ve received it first.


Katie: How thrilling. And as I anticipated, our time, after all, flew by as a result of we all the time have such enjoyable conversations.


Leah: How has it been 45 minutes? Oh my gosh.


Katie: So we’ll simply need to do extra rounds of this as an increasing number of investigations come out. However simply on the finish, I like to ask if there’s any parting recommendation you need to give to our listeners at this time, might be associated to this or one thing completely unrelated to all of the mothers listening?


Leah: Oh, you recognize, when it comes to these items, I might say don’t sweat the small stuff, proper? I imply, I’ve been doing toxic-free for seven years now, possibly eight. And that’s one of many issues that I’ve realized, you recognize, I need to know what absolutely the worst issues are and I’ll keep away from these. And all the different issues, I’ll primarily based on my emotional wants at that second, proper? And so, when it comes to like, whenever you’re fascinated by issues, don’t freak out about one thing you employ as soon as a month, proper? What you need to have a look at are the massive dailies, proper, day by day exposures. So don’t sweat the small stuff when it comes to, you recognize, don’t freak out over some factor that you simply’re going to be consuming, you recognize, or consuming as soon as a month. So go off to your good friend’s home, eat the pizza, and drink, and the cake and, you recognize, get pleasure from your self. As a result of the stress you could placed on individuals primarily based on being afraid of all these items, I feel, will be worse on you total than I feel the precise chemical substances themselves and that’s what I’ve realized over time.


And so shield your area, shield your soul, so to talk, from being too afraid. I feel that there’s a distinction between having a wholesome worry of one thing that’s harmful, you recognize what I’m saying, and avoiding that since you’re good. And likewise entering into the world of it would being like a disordered pondering course of, you recognize, the disordered pondering means of every thing is poisonous just isn’t place so that you can be. I would like you to get pleasure from your life. And you recognize, comply with individuals like Katie and I for, you recognize, directions on what to do after which simply let it go. You already know, that’s my recommendation is, you recognize, management what you bought within the dwelling, exit and discover the world and luxuriate in your self, and take a look at to not let your craziness sink into different locations is my finest recommendation.


After which simply, you recognize, attempt to keep abreast of this, however you recognize, that is a kind of points the place individuals are probably not contacting their elected officers about this. And I do know there’s lots of people particularly in like Republican districts and stuff like that, they’re not listening to sufficient from you, as a result of they’d be doing extra in the event that they heard from you. And I actually really feel like for lots of ladies who’re residing in Republic, congressional districts and stuff like that, name them, allow them to know you’re involved about this. Allow them to know that you simply care, and also you care about them, have you learnt what I’m saying? In case you’re voting for them, and that is your challenge, ensure that they know that that is essential to them. As a result of I used to work for elected officers a few years in the past and I’ll say that when the ladies begin calling up, and after they begin pushing and honking on the doorways, they received their little strollers and stuff, you recognize you’re in bother. It’s the senior residents and the mothers and also you don’t need to piss off both of these teams. However you recognize, that is simply one thing that your elected officers want to listen to extra from you on as a result of there’s plenty of states and once I say rather a lot, I imply plenty of states proper now which are contemplating like 200 items of laws on PFAS. They should hear from you.


Katie: Yeah, I’ve stated that so many occasions on this podcast that mothers are such a pressure of nature and that widespread coverage occurs when the typical mother modifications her thoughts and will get concerned and that’s on so many alternative ranges. And I’ve seen it on an area degree. Really, the place I used to reside, it was attention-grabbing, on this state, homebirth was technically not authorized for some time, and a bunch of mothers I do know lobbied and received it modified. However I feel it doesn’t need to be…I feel we frequently don’t do it as a result of we predict it must be this large quantity, this large groundswell, it truly doesn’t as a result of I additionally used to web page for representatives and it doesn’t take that many calls and letters earlier than they listen. So I might say don’t underestimate…particularly on stuff like this that pertains to our youngsters, don’t underestimate your energy to vary that. And likewise to echo your different recommendation, be careful for what you may but additionally understand the physique is sensible and adaptable and designed to heal and keep away from the worst of the worst, however don’t let it rule your life or develop into hectic. And that applies to meals, that applies to what we work together with in our day by day lives, and provides your self some grace on the finish of the day too.


Leah: Love you, lady. You’re so nice at summarizing my level.


Katie: Proper again at you, and thanks for the time at this time. It’s all the time, after all, so enjoyable to get to speak with you. Like I stated, we’ll do it once more as an increasing number of information turns into out there. However thanks for being right here.


Leah: After all. It’s my pleasure. Thanks for having me, Katie.


Katie: And thanks, as all the time, to all of you for listening and sharing your most respected assets, your time, your power and your consideration with us at this time. We’re each so grateful that you simply did and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”


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